Author McAlister Huynh joins us to talk about: "Listen, Learn, and Grow: A Whole Body Listening Larry Story."

Author McAlister Huynh joins us to talk about: "Listen, Learn, and Grow: A Whole Body Listening Larry Story."

McAlister Greiner Huynh is an educator, also known as The Neurodivergent Teacher.

McAlister Greiner Huynh is a National Board Certified special educator, behavior support specialist, consultant, and international speaker who calls North Carolina, USA home. She has been working with and learning from Neurodivergent individuals professionally for twelve years, steadily growing in her passion for neurodiversity, disability culture, and radical acceptance. McAlister is the educator behind “The Neurodivergent Teacher” on Facebook and Instagram, where she connects with families, professionals, and neurodivergent folks worldwide to share philosophies around teaching, self-advocacy skills, accessibility, and coping strategies.

Transcript

Guy Stephens: 0:13

Well, welcome back. And you're not crazy. This is two events in one week. And it's not even a regular week. So usually we're here every other Thursday for a live event. We actually we're here on Monday, and we're back again on the odd Thursday. But we've got some really fun stuff today. So thank you for joining us. Thank you for taking some time out of your day to join us for a special edition of the Alliance Against Seclusion and Restraint live. My name is Guy Stevens. I'm the founder and executive director of the Alliance, really excited to have you here. If you're not familiar with the Alliance, the Alliance was formed, really around issues like restraint and seclusion, but beyond restraints, seclusion, suspension, expulsion, corporal punishment, all the many things that are often being done to kids very often in the name of behavior. And really, above that, it's really supporting children, teachers, and staff. We've got a core foundational belief that if we can do better, we should do better. So we of course, have our regular Live series every two weeks, but we are here with a very special event. And sometimes things just come up and they're timely. And they're, well, they just need to be talked about now. So we scheduled a special event here today. If you are already on live, feel free to tell us who you are and where you're from in the chat. But let me tell you about what we're going to be doing today we're going to be we're going to be seeing a brand new book that just got published. And the book if you've not already got your copy, and we got to go in the wrong way here for the camera, listen, learn and grow a whole body listening Larry story to help kids regulate, listen and engage. And we are really lucky here today to have one of the authors here. And one of the authors who you've met before, because the neurodivergent teacher, McAlister has been on here with us previously. And I'm going to tell you a little bit more about McAlister in a second here. Before I do though, I want to let you know that as always, these events are recorded. So whenever we do a live event, it's recorded. We do them live, they appear at the same time on Facebook, YouTube, and LinkedIn. And you can go back to any of those platforms afterwards and watch the recording there. We also tend to make them available on audio only podcasts. If you want to go back and listen on the go, you can do that. So with that, let's get to the really fun stuff here. I'm gonna go ahead and bring up our very special guests here today on a really fun day because it's a fun day whenever you have a brand new book. So McAllister, welcome, and thank you for joining us today. I'm gonna give a little bit of a bio here to tell people who you are. But But I already know that my my bio that I have here is out of date, because there's something else that we need to add to the bio and that is an author, right. So you know all the things that you were already so McAlister is a national board certified special educator, Behavior Support Specialist consultant, international speaker who calls North Carolina USA home. And that's a beautiful area. I don't recall where in North Carolina you are. But I've always thought North Carolina was one of the states that I might go to if I went to another state you've been working with and learning from neurodivergent individuals professionally for 12 years, steadily growing in your passion for neurodiversity, disability, culture, radical acceptance. I love that term radical acceptance. Macalester is an educator, the educator behind the neurodivergent teacher on Facebook and Instagram, where you connect with families, professionals, neurodivergent folks worldwide to share philosophies around teaching self advocacy skills, accessibility and coping strategies. And you have you always have these amazing little videos that just you know, you're watching. You're just there nodding. So welcome. And thank you so much for joining us. And of course, as I said, your bio is outdated, I needed to do one, because you also now can add the term author to your bio. And you've got a brand new book here to talk about that you were a author on. So we're going to talk today about Listen, Learn and Grow. But Welcome, and thanks for joining us today.

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 4:17

Thanks for having me. Yes. From Central North Carolina is where I am now. But I grew up in Asheville in the mountains.

Guy Stephens: 4:24

Oh, okay. Yeah, number one on the what is it the Smoky Mountain Railroad up there? Yeah. I remember actually a very special trip when my son was fairly young and my son is in college now but we went I think on Thomas the Tank Engine in the Great Smoky railroad. So there's my connection, but but for sure. So I see we already have a couple of people jumping on and joining us. We've gotten Nicole from New Jersey that's gotten on here. Let's see who else and we have Trish went to an event in Arizona and got to put questions to the superintendent schools. Tom Horne asks why Arizona is using practice, okay. seclusion rooms. Okay. So we've got Trish joining us as well. Anybody else who happens to be watching live and I see a few of you there, let us know who you are and where you're from. And we'd love to, to know who you are. So we're here for a really special reason, right? The book came out on Tuesday, right? I was giving the wrong because I got it wrong earlier. And I saw you. In fact, I think I told you I'm since I'm in West Virginia, not whom I decided I better order a copy to make sure it gets here in time. And I ordered a copy, actually the end of last week, and it got here bright and early on Tuesday morning. So I know these books are now out. And of course, the book is a whole body listening Larry's story to help kids regulate, listen, and engage. And of course called listen, learn and grow. And, of course, fantastic, fantastic art here as well. But let's talk a little bit about the backstory here. Because Larry existed before the iteration of Larry that we have now today. And let's talk a little bit about how you became aware of a whole body listening, Larry, and how that then led you on this journey to eventually be an author on this book. So you can you can you tell us a little bit about who Larry was. And then we're gonna talk, of course, about who Larry is today. But give us a little bit of the backstory here.

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 6:29

Yeah. So I'm Elizabeth and Chris, the other two authors on the book, they created Larry, in a book and a poster that came out, I think it's like 12 years ago ish. And they were inspired by Susan Truesdale, who created the concept of whole body listening to kind of give concrete examples of what adults are looking for when they say pay attention or listen to me. But what they realized from a lot of advocates reaching out was that it, it created this standard that isn't reality for a lot of kids like, right, that's not how everybody listens. And it was this tool that gave teachers the ability to fight and a little bit. It gave teachers the ability to say, like, do these specific behaviors, instead of thinking about like, what is the internal process of listening? And what does that look like for each individual kid. So as they kind of learned that, and a lot of people reached out, and several years ago, I did a post about how everybody listening is outdated and ableist and problematic, and we really shouldn't use it anymore. So they ended up reaching out to me and asking if I would consult on the project, because they were hoping to redo the old Larry books. And, you know, a lot of back and forth, what ended up happening is they were like, do you just want to like rewrite the book with us. And so that's kind of how we started and we worked first on redoing the old hole buddy listening Larry poster, which gave this like either watching the teacher hands are folded in our lap legs or crisscross applesauce body. Okay.

Guy Stephens: 8:14

So your version of the poster came after this conversation happened? I wasn't sure the sequence so that came after? Okay. I know your version of the poster. Well, and you know, it really, I think the intent was to, to really represent what had been missing, right represent the fact that what had been put in to Larry and I heard the interview the other day, and it's gonna be really tough because you, you often you do things that are well intentioned, and you might be, you know, following a bit of research. And I'm sure it's really tough to kind of create something. And then suddenly, there's a lot of criticism coming in, and people are asking questions. And I'm sure that was really tough for both Elizabeth and Kristen to kind of go through that process. But then they reached out to you. And you began to kind of develop another another version of the poster. Did you have any? I mean, I'm just going to ask you, but I wonder, did you have any kind of trepidation or concern because of course, Larry was getting a lot of really negative publicity because of, you know, it really was viewed as like, Oh, gee, this is not neurodiversity friendly. This is, you know, very neuro neurotypical and you know, ableist and so did you have any trepidation at first kind of getting involved? Um,

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 9:33

when they first reached out and then Elizabeth specifically is the one who reached out to me and actually before she reached out about literary she had reached out and said, Hey, another edition of my social emotional learning book is coming out soon will you? Like can I send you a copy? Will you look at it and tell me what you think? And I was very, very blunt and my response to her was like, I don't think I'm the right person for this. I don't think we see eye to eye I just don't think it's, it's going to be a good thing. fit. Um, so I, I, you know, look back on that a little harsh. But um, She then reached out again with the whole body listening. So I was like, hey, like, we really want to do better, like we're trying to reach out to different people and get some consultants involved so that we can do better. And through my, you know, that level of work with them through this kind of consulting role, I saw the work that they did want to do to make it better. And it felt like a good opportunity to help move this in a positive direction. And they, Chris and Elizabeth also did several focus groups with some of the advocates that had reached out to them and said, like, Hey, this is an issue and some people who had maybe posted on social media and said, like, Larry's ableist, this is a problem. This is an affirming for kids. And just seeing the work that they wanted to do within the community. I, when they asked me if I wanted to be an author on the book and work on the poster, I didn't really hesitate, because I saw that they want to do the work, you know?

Guy Stephens: 11:09

Yeah, I think that's really great. And, you know, I, I've always had the philosophy that I'll talk to anybody, even if we might not agree, or might not see eye to eye, because only if we have that conversation, might we get closer? Or might we have an opportunity to share things that have a positive influence? But it is easy sometimes to feel like, oh, no, no, no. Can't do that, you know, you're you know, but I think those conversations are important, and I will absolutely give them a tremendous amount of credit to, you know, kind of listen to the feedback, reaching out wanting to do better. I mean, you know, I mean, that's one of the core values that we have, it's like, you know, know, better do better, right. And if we know better than we have an obligation do better. And I think somebody that goes out proactively and says, you know, what, we want to do better, we we missed the mark here, you know, we were doing something I think means a lot. In fact, you know, you had shared with me and an early version of the book and, and asked me to take a look at it and offer review. And I was happy to. And I remember, as I kind of wrote my thoughts down, I was reflecting on and I'm like, listen, learn and grow. And like, that's the story of like the team that was working on this, right? Because they actually listened. They learned and they grew. And the net result is what we have here in the new book. And of course, your contributions to this are, you know, I think probably really outstanding and really make a huge difference. But I think that process is great. And it's great that, you know, not only did the team reach out and want to do something better, and listen to the community, but ultimately, you know, ended up producing something that, you know, when I read it, in fact, even when you sent it to me, I was so a little bit skeptical, just because I knew the whole backstory, and then I'm like, I like this, we're talking about regulation we're talking about, you know, because so many of these things are ingrained in so many places in terms of and you know, we can't blame molarity for all of this. But, you know, my son's IEP at one point had the goal of making eye contact. And I one day stood up an IEP meeting. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, why on earth is this in here. But you know, I didn't know better at one point. But once I knew better, it was like, Okay, we've got to do better hear. So. I think that's a really great story. So you got involved in helping to create the new book? And tell me a little bit about that process? I mean, what was it? Like? Is this the first book that you've worked on? Um,

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 13:32

it is, I mean, I dabbled in writing in my early college days. My pride and joy is my poem that was published in our college literary magazine.

Guy Stephens: 13:45

You're gonna share that with us today, too.

Unknown: 13:49

It is still on my mantle though.

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 13:55

So like, I really enjoy writing and, you know, kind of the part of how it came about was, as I was looking at the old book, and Elizabeth, I remember the phrase she used, she was like, I, you know, I, part of me wants to, like, update it, but part of me is like, I kind of feel like putting I'm putting lipstick on a pig. Like, there's not really a way to like, dress this up to be better. But as I was going through, I was making some like suggestions of like, my think this doesn't hit the mark, what about something like this? Which kind of then turned into like how, let's just all do it together. And that process looked a lot. I mean, there were a lot of versions of this book. This you know, we started working on this two and a half years ago. So it went through a lot of lives of like, what, what is our even like layout gonna be? And it took a lot of time of being like, Okay, how are we making sure we aren't setting standards we're encouraging at exploration of what each person needs. And also making sure like all students are represented both those who listen in more traditional ways and those who don't. And thinking about how can we make this so that when teachers read it, they see their students in their class and this and don't see, you know, oh, well, that's not for, like kids in my class that's for this different kind of class. There's a lot of reflection through that. And then we ended up finding a different publisher than the original publisher of the literary books. And so that process finding like the right fit, there was a whole nother executive functioning nightmare of applying to lots of different publishers. Thank goodness for Elizabeth staying on top of us for that, because not my strong suit. And because the publishing ended up being a really good fit, they published at modela hooks, but yeah, that's yeah. And Dan Siegel has some books through them. And so that that

Guy Stephens: 16:04

Well, I mean, that puts you in pretty good company, but I would say it also puts them in pretty good company. So you know, it works out well, when actually, when I saw that was the publisher, Mona was the first thing that came to my mind was oh, that's that's the publisher that published?

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 16:16

Yeah, well, before we met with the pezzi. Team, I sent Mona a message on this. We can maybe tell them that I'm like, Cool and stuff. Before we met with the team, but they are pretty quickly on board. With that setting, they saw the potential for the impact. So yeah,

Guy Stephens: 16:36

that's great. That's great. I love that. So, you know, I was joking with you before we went, went on live. And I said, Well, I won't make you read the book, you're like, it'd be okay, I've read the book. Sure. So I'm actually going to bring the book up on my screen, and we're going to do a read through and we'll you're going to do a read through, I'm going to be, I'm going to be the student here, because that works better for me. So I'm gonna go ahead and bring up the book. And I'm assuming that you'll be able to see it there on the screen. Of course, I also I also have mine right, perfect, perfect, perfect. So I will just kind of begin and let me just get my copy here that I can navigate through. So of course, you know the title here. And I'll read that and then I'll hand it off to you. A whole body listening Larry story to help kids regulate, listen and engage, listen, learn and grow. And I love the regulation. This was when I read this, it was really, really resonated with me. But now I'm going to be quiet and I'm going to listen, learn and grow. I don't know if you want to go over any of the Okay, well,

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 17:42

we'll just get some context there that before the book about who Larry was and who plays now. And then it does start and I will give kind of a framework for this. There's a little cartoon at the very beginning of the book, and the very end of the book that kind of exists outside of the story. That is kind of Larry's opportunity to listen and learn and kind of how this process looked like for for him. So um, we'll start with this, this piece with Laurie and Larry, who are from the original Larry book.

Guy Stephens: 18:14

Okay. All right. Well take it away.

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 18:16

All right. So Laurie says Hi, Larry. And Larry says Hi, Laurie. Laurie says listen with your whole body I have heard you say, but how you choose to listen can involve many, many ways. Here he says, Tell me how do you listen? Laurie responds, well, here's a little hint. It could be listed in this book, or it could be something different. Come read along and see how there isn't just one way to listen, learn, Think and Grow each and every day. The school bell rings loud and bright friends shuffle in the room. It's time to listen, learn and grow. It's time for brains to bloom. When you listen, you tune in to your body's every sensation. You get ready to learn by focusing on regulation. This next line is my favorite line in the book. If learning is a flower regulation is the seed to regulate yourself means to meet your body's needs.

Guy Stephens: 19:32

I'm holding back all the amens that I want to say

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 19:36

listen with our bodies that seems so silly to say. We use our ears to listen, is there any other way? It's true that when we listen we often use each ear but listening is more than receiving what we hear when we truly listen, we both hear and understand. Our whole body helps us eyes, mouth, feet, even hands. Our brains have to be ready to think and take in information. Our hearts have to be open to see another's situation. Are you ready to listen? Hooray, I cannot wait. Let's use our whole bodies to listen and regulate that full page spread is my favorite illustration in the book. When you're trying to listen, your brain plays a very big part. You think about what you hear so the message doesn't fall apart. If your brain is wandering, not focused on what you hear, take a deep breath. Work word count to 10 This will help your brain stay clear. Your ears have the mighty job of collecting each and every sound. They gather all the noises so you hear what is around. Pedal pedal pap, tick tock tick tock tick tock what helps your ears to listen silence music or some noise. Your ears can help you find the balance that your brain enjoys. Your eyes can help you listen by hunting for the clues that show you what you're learning where to go and what to do. Looking at the teacher can't always make you understand. Your eyes can look in other places and still learn what was planned.

Guy Stephens: 21:59

I love this.

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 22:03

When it's time to listen up your mouth also plays a role. Depending on your own needs, Silence may not be the goal. Some mouths are still and quiet. Others echo hum or two. If everyone is learning, please do what works for you. You can use your hands to listen by resting them in your lap. Or they might help you listen when they fidget or they flap. Sometimes for you to listen, your hands can't stay folded tight. Your fingers flap and flutter free in a way that feels right. Your feet are helpful listening tools, whether planted firm or in motion. Use your feet to stay engaged, but try not to cause a commotion. So if your feet need to move, let them tap wiggle, stretch or pace. Or maybe keep them grounded staying rooted in your space. When you listen with your body, you move it to help you hear you focus on your energy. So you can think loud and clear. So when it's time to listen, look to find the right spot where your body can get what it needs by moving a little or a lot. When your whole body listens, you can't forget your heart. Your connection with others is where listening can start. Your heart helps you remember that each person is unique. We all have a right to listen in the way our bodies seek. So many ways to listen with body, heart and mind. And every single part of you is helping all the time. When you struggle to listen to hear and understand, just check in with your body. It knows your needs firsthand. Your body helps you regulate to listen, learn and grow. And when you listen with your whole body, knowledge is what you'll so people listen differently. It's surprising but it's true. With whole body listening, find out what works for you. And then Larry and Laurie connect one more time and say, there is no right approach for listening, each person has their own way, teaching someone how they should listen, actually can lead them astray. Listening is not about what other people see, this is Larry's aha moment. Listening is a process that happens inside of me. Now you have strategies that you maybe never knew, listen to your body, it will help you listen to

Guy Stephens: 25:41

I love this, I love this. And, you know, I feel like I'm gonna have to have you come back and read other children's books. You know, when I think about, you know, a stressful day, somehow, hearing you read this book, just is regulating. So thank you isn't fantastic. And, you know, again, you know, when I had the opportunity to read this, for the first time, there was so much I loved about what I was hearing and reading. And, you know, I think the the team has done a fantastic job. Again, I loved the idea that, you know, even going back to the original work that, you know, the idea of listening and learning and growing, you know, that, you know, hearing voices, and I think that's so, so critical. I also such a huge fan of the way that, you know, kind of regulation has been working to this because I think all too often people just don't really understand that the need for our brains to be regulated before we're ready to be there and learn. And you know, this is framing it in such a beautiful way. So you know, love it. Love to have you read that I'm going to actually make this go away here. And of course, that is now available. People can order the book. And I think we put the link in the chat as well. We'll put it in there again. But they can order it directly from the publisher or from Amazon or probably anywhere else. I got mine from Walmart plus, and they had it here right into me like about a day. Oh,

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 27:07

I think also has it available on anyone? Yeah,

Guy Stephens: 27:09

fantastic. I love I appreciate you reading this. And I was thinking to myself as you were doing this and like, you know, if I'm a elementary school teacher, I'm taking this recording to my class, I'm just gonna have you read to my class. Share this with your share this with your teacher, friends, for sure. I do want to mention here, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to put those in the chat. We'll we'll see if we have any here. I did want to just mention that we've got some other people that have joined us from New York and Michigan. And let's see, we've got other comments here. Take a look. Let's see. Oh, and I don't know if I shared this before, I think I might have Idaho and also from Canada. So some people joining us from around the around the world, not just around the country. So what's next for Larry, you know, you've you've got this book out? Are there other Larry adventures? In the planning at any stage? Or? Or is it just that we've got this done after two years that I don't want to have to think about another book here for a while. And any future plans?

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 28:20

I mean, we definitely have have thought about what other information we'd love for Larry to share. But nothing's in our kind of immediate future. I think right now our biggest push. Elizabeth is really, really passionate about this and talks about it the most is we really want to get old posters down, get old books, not in classrooms anymore, put up the new post or use the new book to really make sure we're, we we really want the message to spread and not people be like, Well, I have Larry, Larry, I have it's fine. But it's a lot of work. It's work for teachers to focus on

Guy Stephens: 28:58

a poster replacement plan. Now do you happen to have a new poster there by any chance?

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 29:03

Like, in my was

Guy Stephens: 29:05

it within your arm reach or?

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 29:07

I don't know. I'm in my office, but

Guy Stephens: 29:09

Okay, okay. No worries. Well, you know, I'll to figure out where can somebody get the posters? Where can

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 29:15

the poster is available for free download at good timing with this link at everyday regulation.com? Okay. That is where people can can download it for free. Or you can order a paper copy or you can download the free one and send it to Office Max or whatever, post printed poster size. Or if your school has a poster printer. Say you can also get it printed there. Okay,

Guy Stephens: 29:40

great. And I'm actually just gonna open that real quick. And maybe you can show me oops, show me where so bear with me. I'm just going to stop sharing and reshare my screen here. So that's great. That's great that there's some choices there and I'll have to I have to get one myself. I don't have a printer that would really do justice to printing something like that. But that's great. And I mentioned to you as we were kind of getting ready to start here, okay, somebody just said they downloaded it. Explanations examples are amazing, so fantastic. And of course, I would encourage people, at least I would, and you could tell me if I shouldn't be too late by then. But, you know, get the book, and probably leave a review as well. I mean, it'd be great to get some feedback. You know, and especially valuable, knowing that, you know, this is a team that has taken feedback and done such hard work to, again, you know, do listen, learn and grow, right. So love that.

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 30:44

Even if you don't purchase the book, if you enjoy the read aloud here, you can go on Goodreads and and give a review, you can go on Amazon as a non official purchase to add on now you can post on Amazon, even if you don't purchase from Amazon, anywhere that you are willing to give a review, we'd love

Guy Stephens: 31:02

to Yeah, I know, that's always helpful for a lot of reasons. But you know, I'm sure part of it just kind of getting feedback. So I'm on everyday regulation, which hopefully everyone can see. And I remember the whole body listening poster here. And of course, they can get the poster by clicking on the button there. And, of course, against the wall poster as well. So certainly, if

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 31:26

I don't I don't think I've talked to you about this other poster that's down below there. But it's a it's another one that we designed with an autistic artists who helped us illustrate different examples of what listening could look like to help. You know, if you have the whole body listening post, and you're like, Oh, I'd love to give some examples for my kids of what that could be. Um, it just gives a bunch of different examples that include, you know, looking away, or maybe looking at the speaker, moving your body or maybe saying still just some of those options.

Guy Stephens: 31:58

Yeah, fantastic. Love it. So if you're a teacher and have the old posters, be sure to get the get the new ones. If you're a parent, you could always buy a new one for your classroom, and maybe give them a copy of the book I was sharing with you earlier, before we got on that. We're talking about doing a small little scholarship program to give away some children's books. So hopefully, that's something we'll announce in the coming weeks, I also mentioned that, I think we're going to include your book in a book study that we're doing over the summer, that's going to focus on children's books, and I'm not gonna put you on the spot, but you know, I probably will contact you again and say, Hey, you might come join us for a little fun and meet some people. So hopefully, there'll be some opportunities there as well. But I just really want to thank you for taking some time to come on here today, I just want to look and see if anyone has any questions. Let's say I'm ordering the book and gifting it to my child's elementary school. Just send the poster link to the sped teacher. Fantastic. And that's what we'd like to hear. Right. That's great. All right. And I don't see any questions. But I just want to thank you for taking some time. I know this is probably a really busy week, having the book come out. And as we knew it was coming. I'm like, How would you feel about like a little live event with us the week around? And you're probably like, oh, yeah, that's great idea. And then we're coming up on and thinking.

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 33:17

No, it's exciting.

Guy Stephens: 33:19

Good? Well, we're excited to and we've been sharing it, we encourage people, you know, share this, this podcast and share about the book. Want to thank you, oops, here we go. We've got another, somebody weighing in here. This was amazing. Thank you. Love to get that that feedback. But thank you, thank you, for all the work that you do, not just this book. But you know, I know that your work has a tremendous amount of influence over lots of educators and individuals that are really working to do better. So you know, we really appreciate all that you do. And I'm very excited to have my own my own copy here. And it will probably be on my my bookshelf, it will not end up in the US book section, I promise. All right. Well, listen, I don't see any other questions here. So I told you, we would kind of keep this short and just kind of go through the book. Thank you so much for joining us today. And I just want to thank everybody that tuned in. And if you're watching this back on, you know, pre recorded somewhere, again, share it with others, and especially that reading I mean, that reading was fantastic. I might just go back when I'm having a tough day and listen

McAlister Greiner Huynh: 34:31

with your body.

Guy Stephens: 34:33

I mean, it was it was it was really kind of therapeutic. So I appreciate that. So thank you everybody for joining us. And we will see you again next week at our regular time. And I look forward to seeing you again. So one final well done Macalester that's my mom. And we all have them you know, although my mom is not usually good at getting on the live ones. I was watching you today and I'm like what were you so always appreciate ate the support of the supportive mom there so thank you very much and we'll see you guys next time bye bye